Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-722B1F51-5D8E-46F2-98FE-2E0202299E2A"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 --Apple-Mail-722B1F51-5D8E-46F2-98FE-2E0202299E2A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-457FE4A2-76C2-44EE-9997-1E58FC7B5340 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-457FE4A2-76C2-44EE-9997-1E58FC7B5340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NIST.IR report pointed out that Falcon implementations could be difficult t= o validate, because of its use of floating point.=20 There was Zalcon proposal that came late, but seemed to address the main sh= ortcomings of Falcon. Since NIST already announced its plans to standardize= Falcon - IMHO, it would be nice if Zalcon was considered for the 4th round= , it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Clate coming=E2=80=9D perhaps compensated by its sim= ilarities with the winner Falcon. Thanks. Regards, Uri > On Aug 11, 2022, at 17:27, 'dustin...@nist.gov' via pqc-forum wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > In response to the question "Should NIST now have an on-ramp for new KEMs= ?" we wanted to share our current view. We are initiating the call for add= itional signatures primarily because we want a digital signature scheme tha= t is not based on lattices and can be easily used by most applications. Fo= r the KEMs, we feel that with the candidates in the 4th round we will be ab= le to achieve that same objective. Thus for now, we do not have any plans = to initiate a new call for KEMs. =20 >=20 > Standardization efforts in PQC will undoubtedly continue for many years, = and new and ongoing research results will impact this. So we also are not = ruling out that we could call for additional KEMs at some point in the futu= re. =20 >=20 > Dustin Moody > NIST >=20 >> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:41:13 AM UTC-4 danibrown%bl...@gtempacco= unt.com wrote: >> Should NIST now have an on-ramp for new KEMs? >>=20 >>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 7:12:56 PM UTC-4 dj...@uwaterloo.ca wrote= : >>> I was waiting in order to give the authors of the paper an opportunity = to announce their results to the forum, in case they should wish to do so, = but since someone else has already written about it, it's fair game to chim= e in now. >>>=20 >>> The result is legitimate, and very impressive. Huge congratulations to = Castryck and Decru. >>>=20 >>> At first sight, the attack in 2022/975 uses knowledge of the endomorphi= sm ring of the starting curve. As mentioned on page 2 of 2022/975, a possib= le "tweak" to SIKE was described in Section 8 of 2021/543 which could poten= tially thwart this attack. The tweak consists of randomly generating a star= ting curve of unknown endomorphism ring as part of the public key generatio= n process. However, attacks always get better, never worse. It is possible = that after further analysis, 2022/975's apparent dependence on knowledge of= the starting curve's endomorphism ring will turn out to be spurious. More = analysis is needed before we would be able to make any sort of confident cl= aim as to whether or not the tweak would thwart the new attack. >>>=20 >>> -David >>>> On 2022-07-30 6:58 p.m., Doge Protocol wrote: >>>> Came accross this today and would like to share with the community. >>>>=20 >>>> https://eprint.iacr.org/2022/975 >>>>=20 >>>> Our Magma implementation breaks the instantiation SIKEp434, which aims= at security level 1 of the Post-Quantum Cryptography standardization proce= ss currently ran by NIST, in about one hour on a single core.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Ran on a single core, the ap- >>>> pended Magma code breaks the Microsoft SIKE challenges $IKEp182 and $I= KEp217 >>>> in about 4 minutes and 6 minutes, respectively. A run on the SIKEp434 = parame- >>>> ters, previously believed to meet NIST=E2=80=99s quantum security leve= l 1, took about 62 >>>> minutes, again on a single core. We also ran the code on random instan= ces of >>>> SIKEp503 (level 2), SIKEp610 (level 3) and SIKEp751 (level 5), which t= ook about >>>> 2h19m, 8h15m and 20h37m, respectively. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups "pqc-forum" group. >>=20 >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= an email to pqc-forum+...@list.nist.gov. >>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/l= ist.nist.gov/d/msgid/pqc-forum/34f051a6-0f59-4aec-9bff-fe16511f0ae7n%40list= .nist.gov. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pqc-forum" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pqc-forum+unsubscribe@list.nist.gov. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/list= .nist.gov/d/msgid/pqc-forum/668dbc04-b681-4ee2-b2e2-d5665df71ed4n%40list.ni= st.gov. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pqc-forum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pqc-forum+unsubscribe@list.nist.gov. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/list.n= ist.gov/d/msgid/pqc-forum/ECB1F432-7917-400C-A926-9D85698AA94B%40ll.mit.edu= . --Apple-Mail-457FE4A2-76C2-44EE-9997-1E58FC7B5340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NIST.IR report pointed out that Falcon = implementations could be difficult to validate, because of its use of float= ing point. 

There was Zalcon proposal that came lat= e, but seemed to address the main shortcomings of Falcon. Since NIST alread= y announced its plans to standardize Falcon - IMHO, it would be nice if Zal= con was considered for the 4th round, it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Clate coming=E2= =80=9D perhaps compensated by its similarities with the winner Falcon.

Thanks.

Regards,
Uri
=

On Aug 11, 2022, at 17= :27, 'dustin...@nist.gov' via pqc-forum <pqc-forum@list.nist.gov> wro= te:

= =EF=BB=BF
In response to the question "Should NIST now have an on-ramp fo= r new KEMs?" we wanted to share our current view.  We are initiating t= he call for additional signatures primarily because we want a digital signa= ture scheme that is not based on lattices and can be easily used by most ap= plications.  For the KEMs, we feel that with the candidates in the 4th= round we will be able to achieve that same objective.  Thus for now, = we do not have any plans to initiate a new call for KEMs.  
=

Standardization efforts in PQC will undoubtedly continu= e for many years, and new and ongoing research results will impact this.&nb= sp; So we also are not ruling out that we could call for additional KEMs at= some point in the future.  

Dustin Mood= y
NIST

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:41:13 AM UTC-4 danibrown%b= l...@gtempaccount.com wrote:
Should NIST now have an on-ramp for new KEMs?

=
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 7:12:56 PM UTC-4 dj...@= uwaterloo.ca wrote:
=20 =20 =20

I was waiting in order to give the authors of the paper an opportunity to announce their results to the forum, in case they should wish to do so, but since someone else has already written about it, it's fair game to chime in now.

The result is legitimate, and very impressive. Huge congratulations to Castryck and Decru.

At first sight, the attack in 2022/975 uses knowledge of the endomorphism ring of the starting curve. As mentioned on page 2 of 2022/975, a possible "tweak" to SIKE was described in Section 8 of 2021/543 which could potentially thwart this attack. The tweak consists of randomly generating a starting curve of unknown endomorphism ring as part of the public key generation process. However, attacks always get better, never worse. It is possible that after further analysis, 2022/975's apparent dependence on knowledge of the starting curve's endomorphism ring will turn out to be spurious. More analysis is needed before we would be able to make any sort of confident claim as to whether or not the tweak would thwart the new attack.

-David

On 2022-07-30 6:58 p.m., Doge Protocol wrote:
=20 Came accross this today and would like to share with the community.

https://eprint.iacr.org= /2022/975

Our Magma implementation breaks the instantiation SIKEp434, which aims at security level 1 of the Post-Quantum Cryptography standardization process currently ran by NIST, in about one hour on a single core. 

Ran on a single core, the ap-
pended Magma code breaks the Microsoft SIKE challenges $IKEp182 and $IKEp217
in about 4 minutes and 6 minutes, respectively. A run on the SIKEp434 parame-
ters, previously believed to meet NIST=E2=80=99s quantum sec= urity level 1, took about 62
minutes, again on a single core. We also ran the code on random instances of
SIKEp503 (level 2), SIKEp610 (level 3) and SIKEp751 (level 5), which took about
2h19m, 8h15m and 20h37m, respectively.


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